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FLASHPOLL: CT Political Insiders Split on VP Debate Winner

In a Patch FlashPoll of influential Connecticut political figures taken just after the conclusion of Thursday's vice-presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan, the perception of who won fell strictly along party lines.

This time, there was no slam-dunk debate winner.

In a Patch FlashPoll of influential Connecticut politicos taken in the hours after the first — and only — vice-presidential debate in Danville, KY, Republicans and Democrats alike thought their party’s candidate emerged victorious.

Ten of the 12 Red Nutmeg Survey respondents thought Ryan won the day, with two declaring the contentious session a tossup. Despite these sentiments, six GOP respondents thought the national media would consider Biden the winner.

Eight of 10 Blue Nutmeg Democrats thought Biden bested Ryan, while two called it a draw. Seven out of the 10 thought Biden would be crowned the winner in the media.

‘Biden’s Arrogant Smile’

The story of the debate among Red Nutmeg respondents, though, seemed to be not the candidates’ stance on the issues, but Vice President Biden’s aggressive tactics.

GOP respondents were pointed in their criticism of Biden’s strident attitude. One cited the vice president’s “rude, condescending tone, his facial expressions, (his) laughing at Ryan and his self-serving demagoguing” as something that will stick in the craw of Connecticut conservatives. Others noted “Biden’s arrogant smile while Ryan was speaking,” and his “constant interrupting” as clarion calls to the state’s Republican base.

Biden’s aggressiveness, some GOP respondents warned, could backfire among swing voters in the state.

“Joe Biden’s constant interruption of Paul Ryan and the moderator (and his) loud and aggressive tone, I believe, will turn off swing voters who are tired of the partisanship and lack of action from Washington, D.C.,” one said.

Another said “Biden with his irritating smirking and condescending attitude was a turnoff.

Blue Nutmeg respondents, for their part, focused mostly on the issues when describing what would resonate with progressives and swing voters, citing “the discussion about the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan” and “Biden pointing out continuing inconsistencies in Ryan’s voting record and his new statements as a VP candidate.”

One Democrat pointed to the lack of specifics given by Ryan on his tax plan.

“Congressman Ryan wants voters to trust that the math adds up,” the Democrat said.

Debate Bump?

Republicans’ opinions varied, though, on whether Ryan’s performance would garner more votes for the Romney-Ryan ticket in Connecticut, a traditionally Democratic state. Three strongly agreed that the debate would gain Romney-Ryan votes in the state, while six “somewhat agreed” and three were “neutral.”

One Republican went further out on a limb: “Ryan was very much on point, so much so I think he may be a better presidential candidate than Romney.”

Another agreed.

“Ryan stayed composed and made the point that Obama has not kept his promises. Our economy is in trouble, and the present administration has not helped middle-class America.”

Democrats, though, were in lockstep in thinking that Biden’s aggressive tactics would help Obama’s cause in Connecticut. All 10 of them strongly agreed or somewhat agreed that Biden’s performance would help the Obama-Biden ticket.

“(The debate was) virtually a tie, but Vice President Biden brought momentum and made up for President Obama’s lackluster performance last week,” one Dem said.

Still, the overriding sentiment among Republican respondents to the FlashPoll was that Biden’s tone and constant interruptions were disrespectful.

“I was embarrassed for VP Biden due to his smirking, inappropriate laughing and smiling at the wrong times,” one Republican respondent wrote. “I expected more from our vice president. I thought Paul Ryan was a class act.”

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Patch’s surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in Connecticut. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to Thursday night's questions. Surveys were conducted between 10:30 and midnight on Oct. 11.

Patch will be conducting Red Nutmeg and Blue Nutmeg surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and liberals on the ground in Connecticut. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in weekly surveys that last just a few minutes, please email Regional Editor Corey Fyke at corey@patch.com.

Red Nutmeg Roster: Mark Gill, Kevin Dombrowski, John Rodolico, Mike Cherry, Mimi Peck Llewellyn, Fred Camillo Allyn Jr., Fran Lowell, Julia Cronin, Bob Beaver, Mark Zacchio, Thomas Harrison, Britta Lerner, Lisa Bigelow, John Shaban, Ward Mazzucco, Dan Carter, Harry Thomas, Don Patterson, Harold Cummings, Brian Motola, William Nicholson, Mark Kalina, Adam Weissberger, Christine Vincent, Jack Scavone, Laura Roberts, Andy Powell, Anthony Candelora, Michael Doody, Rose Angeloni, Vin Candelora, Abbe Smith, Denise Hall, Peter Martin, Steven Adler, Burke Doar, Jay Sarzen, Meredith Trimble, Phil Dunn, Frank Morse, Todd Cusano, Marti Stiglich, Malvi Lennon, Jeff Ingram, Aaron Jubrey, Lisa Boccia, Jason Buchsbaum, Vinny Toscano, David Freudmann, Ric Hossak, Beverly Miela, April Holinko, Tony Lent, Jason Perillo, John Anglace Jr., Ross Mandell, Nathan McKay, Dorry Clay, Wendy Bury, Stephen Bessette, Christopher Davis, Chris Fryxell, David Reed, Sharon McLaughlin, Janet Wieliczka, Jeff Gutman, J.P. Sredzinski, Robert Yamin, Joe Cavo, Mark Boughton, Shay Nagarsheth, Michael McLachlan, Norbert Fay, Dan Steward, Kathleen McCarty, David Lewis, Alan Wilensky, Tim Herbst, Suzanne Testani, Susan LaFrance, Paul Lavoie, Diane Pomposello, Kristin Ingram, Stacy Geist, Jay Berardino, John Szewczyk, Jeremy Renninghoff, Pat Dinatale, Ed Bailey, Scott Kaupin, Patrick Droney, John Kissel, Tom Kienzler, Greg Stokes, Peter Tesei, Livvy Floren, Fred Camillo, Steven Warzoha, L. Scott Frantz, Frank Szeps, Bryan Perry, Ed Munster, Eloise H.P. Killeffer, James M. McLaughlin, Valerie M. Saiz, Nancy Haase, Charles Haberstroh, Avi Kaner, Michael Rea, Jonathan Steinberg, Lisa DiLullo, Mike Digrego, Michael. S. Casey, Pam Staneski, Tom Jagodzinski, Matthew Galligan, Timothy Becker, Mark Tweedie, Cheri Pelletier, Darren Cunningham, Sean Askham, William Stokesbury, Brian Ladouceur Jr., Cathy Durdan, Paul Henault, Len Cahill, Phil Williams, Phil Sengle, Vincent Cimino, Charity Folk, Stephen Walko, Daria Novak, Diane Carney, Linda Davis, Leora Levy, Aundré Bumgardner.

Blue Nutmeg Roster: Wendy Howard, David Peña, Daryl Worobow, Linda Merlin, Michael Freeman, Neal Bobruff, Edward Haberek Jr., Dorry Clay, Corey Sipe, Don Maranell, Dee Dee Martin, Nick Kapoor, Susan Koneff, Alan Vaglivelo, Kelly Plunkett, William D. Saums, Michael Graner, Rebecca Graebner, Kenneth Koe, Stephanie Calhoun, Dave Holdridge, Sheri Cote, J.W. "Bill" Sheehan, Cheryl Larder, Andrea Kanfer, George Peteros, Tony Silber, Roy Fuchs, Mary Beth Thornton, Nancy DiNardo, Richard W. White, Karen Cheyney, Michael Doyle, James McLaughlin, Allison Dodge, Laura Williams, Drew Marzullo, John Blankley, David Rafferty, Anthony R.J. Moran, William Satti, Rich Martin, George "Bud" Bray, Dan Pickett, James Albis, Jack Stacey, Sharon Hightower, Peter Kochenburger, William Ryan, Mark LaPlaca, Toni Moran, Andrea Epling, James Ezzes, Jonathan Steinberg, Jan Rubino, Rick Field, Bob Pagoni, Josh Freeman, James Maroney, Richard Smith, Kim Rose, Richard Roy, Paul Davis, Robert Hoffman, Kathleen Devlin, Francis Devlin, Ted Graziani, Tracey Kiff-Judson, Mike Pohl, Josh Howroyd, Dave Dumaine, Ryan Barry, Mike Farina, Doreen Richardson, Darleen Klase, Bill Herzfeld, Brandon McGee, Al Simon, Kevin Cavanagh, Alan R. Mordhorst, Phil Sylvestro, Bill MacDonald, Frank Farricker, Tom Gugliotti, Jeff Blumenthal, Peter Mahoney, Marie Herbst, Thomas DiDio, Michael Winkler, Ethelene DiBona, Jennifer Wolfer, Dolly Mezzetti, Joe Mezzetti, Jeff Tindall, Hal Schwartz, Kevin Coyner, Craig Nussbaum, Catherine Zamecnik, Jane Scully Welch, Leon Karvelis, Barbara Reynolds, Bob Schrage, Mark Lewis, Gayle Weinstein, John Hampton, Lisa Heavner, Helen A. Garten, Tricia Evans.

Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:12 AM
Yes, Lynn--I was laughing out loud also at what a true BUFFOON Biden is. Go to YouTube and watch some Biden Gaffe videos from the past four years or so--TOO funny. But they make you realize why he looked like such an obnoxious idiot in the VP debate: HE CANNOT HELP IT--THAT IS WHO HE IS!!!!
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:13 AM
Get a clue, Jim. Please.
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:14 AM
Agreed Jan: and the answer to who did provide more substance instead of lies and gimickry in ALL THREE DEBATES is Romney-Ryan--clearly.
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:18 AM
By definition, one cannot "pander" to the wealthy! Do you think wealthy people are taken in by "pandering". The only TRUE pandering is done by Democrats and Liberals to the poor and the weak. Promising them nothing delivered and buying them off and keeping them weak with other people's money. Pandering is done to the poor and the weaker, not the rich. Believe it. Biggest crimes in this country were committed by FDR and LBJ promising more good with more government. It was all a lie....
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:21 AM
CuriousOrgy: EVERYTHING is a choice. If you do not understand that, you are a Democrat-Liberal-Nihilist. Values and rules and ethics and choices MATTER--that is why Liberals are "easy" on them and Conservatives "hard"--life MATTERS to conservative philosophy--it does not matter in the end to Liberal "anything-goers"! ;)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:22 AM
CuriousOrgy actually has no clue about facts or substance or context--one thing older people benefit from is life experience and an ability to TRULY contextualize the IMPORTANT things--not buffet people with false or non-substantial details....
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:26 AM
What a JOKE comment! The Liberal team PANDERS to poor and ethnic and women CONSTANTLY and they never actually do anything--just throw more government programs at them and they are never better off--because GOVERNMENT is not the answer to real people getting better! It is LOCAL, it is SMALL BUSINESS, it is INDIVIDUALS, it is LIBERTY, it is free economy, it is more opportunity--everything that Liberal Democrats are against. In the TRUTH, in the LONG RUN, Romney Ryan will benefit the poor, the workers, and women WAY MORE than Obama. Obama did NOTHING for them for four years. Obama will offer them the LIE of Socialism.
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:28 AM
He has NO point....just an immature spouter of slanted facts from certain niche groups. It does not add up to anything that is relevant to the BIG problems we have on the USS TITANIC today.....
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:31 AM
LOOK!!! They are still talking about George Bush 4 YEARS later!!!!!!!!!! WHen will they talk about Obama's blatant FAILURE????? Obama brazenly continued some of the very same things that Bush did--Obama was in lock step on so many things when he started--because Bush ended largely as a moderate--especially in social and economic aspects of the country's situation. Obama has FAILED. It is not about Bush! Wake up Americans!!!!!
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:36 AM
Obama next to Romney?? Obama has done NOTHING in his life. Nothing except government or education. Romney is a REAL WORLD person and a SUCCESS. Obama did nothing REAL--only government--and he did that BADLY. When Obama came into the first debate he was OVERWHELMED by two facts: One: These past four years have been a DISASTER. Two: I am debating a man (Romney) who is so much more competent than me that it is not even funny! Romney even beats Obama in the game of government: Romney helped the State of Massachusetts SHINE in so many ways. He only did it for several years--but he beats Obama in government success and KILLS Obama in every other aspect of LIFE! FACT. ;)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:37 AM
CuriousOrgy does not know how to make a coherent point--I cite the comparison's of President's--meaningless to anyone who really knows history!! LOL
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:39 AM
Biden is a true scatterbrain--and his JFK comment proved that. How sad that this buffoon is one heartbeat away from the most powerful office on earth--SCARY!!!
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:42 AM
EXACTLY, DM!!!!! THAT is pointed and accurate and sums up Obama and Biden. That is the TRUE panderers to the poor and middle class--because "other people's money" does run out eventually--in fact FDR and LBJ and JFK and Carter and Clinton and Obama may have actually used up all of America's "other people's money" at this point..... Like Steve D. said in his Titanic analogy! SAD how the Democrats have raped our country for so long....
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:47 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You are kidding me?????? Biden has "a thorough knowledge of the subjects"???? Ryan--by ALL counts--went toe to toe with Biden even on foreign policy--which is his strong point--though Biden has none really! maybe Biden was so nervous that he had to face a younger, sharper person that his laughter and rudeness was nervous and intended to keep the debate from getting too substantial and too serious?? Biden succeeded. Even Biden's words do not stand up to scrutiny--but he interrupted so much and laughed so much making scatterbrained comments--that it was hard to tell until you watch the replay slowly. Yooper (ggod name, sort of like Yelper)--but Yooper--clue in to one thing: VP debates do not matter!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahaha So enjoy a buffoon misbehaving badly while you can.... ;)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:49 AM
Mr Sullivan is EXACTLY correct. CuriousOrgy remains...well, curious about finding a FACT anywhere.... ;)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:53 AM
Every time that lame-os like CuriousOrgy do not like other people's comments, they try to blame FOX news. Let's see: FOX News is WAY more successful that NBC, CNN, or CBS. NBC can barely stay in business. CNN has constantly lowered itself in the public's esteem. So, CuriousOrgy--you must believe that the MAJORITY of Americans are WRONG? The majority make FOX successful! Maybe CuriousOrgy likes his government the same way he likes his news: a FAILURE! ;)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 04:59 AM
Very accurate point, Fletcher. Though a bit broad and a bit pessimistic. There are a couple measures that go against your assessment that both parties are the same. Changing parties and power favors the Liberals and Democrats. There is an old truism: As time goes on, every change a Liberal makes takes us Left--truly Left. Conservatives are NOT dictators or fascists (in fact, Democrats--with "correct think" are the more truly fascist party). Conservatives--by definition--keep us the same or take us straight. Liberals take us Left every step of their way. With Liberals we ultimately Lose--Left is Socialism and Nihilism. If you look at history and study it contextually, you will see the truth in this. Conservatives will ultimately lose to Liberals--but we all lose when Liberals win.... :)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 05:02 AM
You are kidding me David P., right? That is all that you have here??? Come on.
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 05:05 AM
I tried to tell you that CuriousOrgy DOES NOT HAVE A POINT--and he never will!!! Read the totality. There is no point. A lot of hyperbole and minutiae and prejudice and false representation....just look at this column/blog!
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 05:06 AM
Right on, Louise. CurryO does not "get it" ever.....
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 05:09 AM
Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize for places like the Mideast--now all past Nobel laureates are spinning in their graves--the biggest "token" JOKE of a "peace prize" ever awarded!!!! Do we agree that affirmative action does not work, REALLY????!!!!! Come on folks!
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 05:11 AM
If America is ignorant enough to re-elect Obama by ANY MARGIN--then America is ignorant enough to DESERVE Obama and more socialism, more government, less freedom, less economy, less morals, more delusions, more Solyndras, more Biden buffoonery, and so on...... Go for it Angrus! ;)
Ryen October 17, 2012 at 05:13 AM
Good snap shot of the trouble that this country is in when the Fourth Estate no longer functions objectively and in an educated fashion: Obama tells an outright LIE about the Administration reaction and handling of the Libyan embassy debacle, and the CNN Moderator protects his outright LIE! THAT is exactly where we are as a country--and it is so sad how much damage we are doing to ourselves and our great heritage that way.... On and on it goes! Joe Biden is a rude embarrassment of a buffoon of a Vice President--despicable. And now the sitting President LYING right into the camera and faces of the American people. Democrats and Liberals will stop at no depth of depravity when it comes to personal morals. They "think" they are above the truth.
cheryl October 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM
great comment and truthful. The media promotes public opinion and people who are not informed believe them. This goes to show that if we lose our objectivity and allow the media to become the state run media as in venezuela and other countries people become sheep. Now Robert Gibbs on Fox and friends said that Lybia now is ruled by a moderate government? What- the muslim brotherhood is moderate? Look, the middle east is on fire, Iran is our enemy and so is the muslim brotherhood and this guy seems to be aiding and giving comfort to our enemies by not identifying them as such. We cannot win the fight if we don't recognize our enemy. And the media is treasonist and complicate to our demise. WE must stand for America principles and values - free market principles, limited government, low taxes. It helps everyone. Why is it that in every debate is moderated by progressives? The media is contibuting to our demise.
Will Wilkin October 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM
1) WHY is Iran "our enemy?" 2) WHY is the MB "our enemy"? 3) Why should the USA presume to have the right and the power to control what regime is in power everywhere in the world? Can you imagine Iranian aspirations in Central America? If you look at the problems facing our people and our country, the damage is being done by our own Democrats and Republicans, exporting our economy for the profits of the rich, and tearing up the Constitution for militarism on borrowed money, to the tune of $1 Trillion a year: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/1-trillion-for-defense/ http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/crusaders-come-home/
Will Wilkin October 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM
As for Venezuelan v. American leadership: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/10/13/dont-vote-for-evil/ EXCERPT: Chavez is one of the American right-wing’s favorite bogyman, because Chavez helps the people instead of bleeding them for the rich, which is Washington’s way. While Washington has driven all but the one percent into the ground, Chavez cut poverty in half, doubled university enrollment, and provided health care and old age pensions to millions of Venezuelans for the first time. Little wonder he was elected to a fourth term as president despite the many millions of dollars Washington poured into the election campaign of Chavez’s opponent. While Washington and the EU preach neoliberalism–the supremacy of capital over labor–South American politicians who reject Washington’s way are being elected and reelected in Venezuela, Ecuador, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, and Bolivia. ...In contrast to the leadership that is emerging in South America as more governments there reject the traditional hegemony of Washington, the US political elite, whether Republican or Democrat, are aligned with the rich against the American people. END EXCERPT
C.S. October 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Stop. How do I stop these comments from clogging up my email? I followed the link that said go here to stop the auto response but it just led me back here
Christopher Schaefer October 20, 2012 at 06:46 PM
Rosa DeLauro left a few details out of her profile: http://RosaDeLauroExposed.wordpress.com/
Ryen October 22, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Again, I am going to point out the clear and embarrassing error with regard to the semantics of the English language and how it is used or misused by President Obama and by journalists. Obama still claims that at the end of a hasty press conference a day later, that he "labelled the attacks terror". Well, let's look at that: Saying at the very end of a brief press conference that "No act of terror will go...." THAT is not calling it terror. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR! If he was calling it terror, he would have said "THIS act of terror...." THAT is explicitly calling something terrorist. Saying "No act of terror..." is actually a lawyer's or politician's way of saying absolutely NOTHING--nothing concrete that is. But President Obama LYING to the American people is not the worst part of it: THE CRIME HERE IS Obama trying to claim that he labelled something "TERRORIST' anywhere from 7 DAYS to 10 DAYS BEFORE the darn CIA had actually started clearly calling it terror!!!!! WHICH IS IT? Either way he goes now, he is now a dishonest, desperate LIAR. THAT much is crystal clear. READ the reports and LOOK at the actual words and use some college educated reasoning in interpreting LANGUAGE and then look at MOTIVE!!!! Obama is a LIAR either way--and one way he is a DESPERATE liar. How is that for a sitting President?? ;)
Ryen October 22, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Again, I am going to point out the clear and embarrassing error with regard to the semantics of the English language and how it is used or misused by President Obama and by journalists. Obama still claims that at the end of a hasty press conference a day later, that he "labelled the attacks terror". Well, let's look at that: Saying at the very end of a brief press conference that "No act of terror will go...." THAT is not calling it terror. It is CRYSTAL CLEAR! If he was calling it terror, he would have said "THIS act of terror...." THAT is explicitly calling something terrorist. Saying "No act of terror..." is actually a lawyer's or politician's way of saying absolutely NOTHING--nothing concrete that is. But President Obama LYING to the American people is not the worst part of it: THE CRIME HERE IS Obama trying to claim that he labelled something "TERRORIST' anywhere from 7 DAYS to 10 DAYS BEFORE the darn CIA had actually started clearly calling it terror!!!!! WHICH IS IT? Either way he goes now, he is now a dishonest, desperate LIAR. THAT much is crystal clear. READ the reports and LOOK at the actual words and use some college educated reasoning in interpreting LANGUAGE and then look at MOTIVE!!!! Obama is a LIAR either way--and one way he is a DESPERATE liar. How is that for a sitting President?? ;)

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